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Can you do a vid on how to make jaheira call you cub? I play like 3 save now and only my first playthrough she call cub.

i think i needed to roll a 30 to get her to spare her

That ending tho xD

Fantastic and informative video. Been reading through everyone’s takes on the subject, whether the nightsong part of it is a bug or not, and I’m of two minds. On the one hand, the argument could be made that in order to fully devote herself to Selûne, Shadowheart has to rid herself of any sharran influence (in this case the “incurable” wound). This is in my head, is a justification from a purely religious standpoint. I'll go into more depth on this in a bit. From a gameplay perspective, this sort of seems like a bug. What are the Nightsong points really? They're points that indicate Shar losing her grip on Shadowheart, whether it be through her remembering her past or the player’s influence, resulting in her “spurning the Dark Lady”, as Nightsong herself puts it. Parent points, in this light, are just are a second set of memories/triggers used to see whether or not Shadowheart sacrifices not just her parents, but her past. When not enough parent points are obtained, from her perspective, she’s really sacrificing the “idea” of her past, represented in the form of her parents - the last direct link. However, the more she remembers of her past, the more inclined she is to save it. Which choice is right? Like many have said, it’s perspective. Her parents are willing to sacrifice themselves to rid their daughter of her physical pain. This is the noble and “what you'd expect a parent would say” answer. Analyzing the situation more closely, you realize it’s more complicated than that. Shar is really forcing Shadowheart to substitute the physical pain of the wound with emotional pain. It’s not simply grief, it’s guilt. It’s the idea that she could have saved her family and chose not to, making her in some way, complicit in their deaths. This is why Shar doesn't just kill Shadowheart’s parents herself. She wants to continue manipulating Shadowheart in either outcome. Shadowheart confirms this herself by stating Shar is hoping the insurmountable emotional pain will force her back into her embrace. Its the reason Shar actually restores many of Shadowheart’s horrible memories. In this sense, no ending really rids Shadowheart of Shar completely. Like many have stated, it’s a lose-lose. It strikes me as odd that the devs would intend for high nightsong points to cancel out the parent points. If you turn Shadowheart away from Shar sooner, why should that result in her sacrificing her parent? Shadowheart has no knowledge of her parents while you're gaining nightsong points. The two don't seem to have any correlation, except if you look at it from a religious standpoint. Gaining more nightsong points means you’re pushing Shadowheart closer to fully embracing Selûne, with her first act being saving Selûne’s daughter. Given Selûne’s nature of valuing life and family, it seems counterintuitive that gaining favor with her would result in Shadowheart feeling she has to sacrifice her own parents, unless Ketheric Thorm was right. Ketheric states that when his wife - and later his daughter - died, Selûne did nothing about it, despite them being faithful servants. He states that they're all just pawns of the gods. “Pieces to be moved around,” I think he says. If Selûne is really so petty as to not wholly welcome Shadowheart because she still has her rival sister’s curse, to me makes me question whether Selûne is even worth following. Lorewise, I don't think this accurately portrays the Moonmaiden, but that's what the effect the nightsong points end up having in regards to the parent situation.

interestingly if you're a cleric of selune some of these checks are bypassed and even some dialogue options don't show up because of the differences in conversations. usually i hit most of the checks faster as a selunite than in non-selunite runs. also the windmill statue wound flare is exclusive with a wound flare from the hidden book in the ogre house.

Can you fish out if Karlach's 4th wall breaking dialogue can be triggered ingame, without modifying the game files? Somebody announced a 500$ for it, and I think you can claim it (if it's possible) :P

I skip past exploit type of strategies because they feel too cheap for honor mode, where I am seeking a challenge but great video overall. (I just don't see the point in *my* own playthrough to cheese)

>we'll find a little bit of math man fuck this

i fucking knew it, i swear my shart killed nightsong by herself without me telling her to in my first playthrough, whereas all my friends' shadowheart ended up sparing her. I guess I had that specific approval (bug?). at least it led to some good bloody times

Thank you!

unfortunate for you to rely on fat jokes for comedy, that wasn't funny it was just mean :/ the rest of the video was very informative but it soured me on your videos

Glad my comment made it into the video, and it was really interesting to see why it works the way it does when I've only ever triggered it by accident.

Explains why it felt so natural for me to allow shadowheart to make a decision for herself and still choose the selunite side. I never pushed her anywhere and waited up to the end of act 1 until she finally spoke out herself that she's a Sharron. If you don't do anything but give her time to ponder she will naturally decide against killing Nightsong.

Great video. My Shadowheart always has made the correct choice when left to her own devices. Shadowheart is a good girl at heart.

Theres also a flareup if you dont kill the owlcub

How did you reverse engineer to get the osiris code?

Just discovered that shadowheart will fidget and express her doubts to you at camp after feeding her the noblestalk (this may also require pointing out the moonstone in her memory). I wonder if this conversation is any different from the one in act 2

you can also trigger the wolf conversation if you notice her react in fear to a wolf, like seeing the wolf in the druid's grove however it's a bit unreliable because you will have to roll for a check and it only happens when it fails.

Bro hid the best tip at 19:20

I think the logic is that Shadowheart can't truly serve either goddess with her parents still alive. Shar is the goddess of loss so Shadowheart must kill her parents to continue as a true devotee of Shar. On the flip side, if her parents live, Shar will always have a hold over Shadowheart via the curse, so Shadowheart isn't free to truly serve Selune (and she'll concentrate on her parents' welfare once they've been freed instead of serving Selune). Only by freeing her parents of their torture and allowing them to become moon wisps for Selune (I forget what the game called them), is Shadowheart free of Shar's curse and her mortal, familial duties - thus able to serve Selune. The Shadowsong points are, therefore, also an indicator of how much Shadowheart is aligning with her divine duty (of facing and [killing || freeing] the Nightsong). If she gets more Nightsong points vs. Parent points, serving a goddess takes precedence over caretaking for her parents.

Thank GOD its a bug. I always allow the characters to do what they want, but if they make a decision that very obviously hurts them it always hurts me too. I couldnt let Shadowheart kill her parents so I reloaded and did the persuasion check, and felt really bad. If I'd done everything right, surely she would've spared them? Now I know it was the game's fault and I did do everything right. What a relief.

I followed your tricks and tutorials and I was able to kill Myrkul in honor mode first try, thank you so much for the help I am truly grateful

I take issue with the idea that to follow the Moonmaiden Shadowheart HAS to kill her parents. That's nonsense to me and is the antithesis of Selûnite doctrine. The only reason she has to make the choice at all is because of Shar's spite and cruelty. She wants Shadowheart to kill them so that the pain of loss will send her running back to Shar for relief. By saving them however Shadowheart is spurning Shar and Shar's doctrine and chooses to live a life of love and happiness she wanted. And Selûne empowers Shadowheart regardless. No, Shadowheart follows the Moonmaiden in the end with either choice and it's beautiful.

In my latest evil Dark Urge playthrough, i had full evil SH, killed the Nightsong, helped destroy the grove and last Last Light Inn, you name it. I did catch the 3 memory dialogues for her and by default she wanted to save her parents. But being evil i insisted she kill them. By default she would save them. I didn't do the night cave until after the parents. But the smells of the city did occur right after the graveyard. I didn't do the mushroom with her.

So if you want Shadowheart to free the Nightsong and her parents, you have to pick between a Persuasion check in the Shadowfell or a Persuasion check in the House of Grief.

I had some really weird bugs in my first playthrough ( no mods or cheats) The graffiti convo triggered twice. Once where it is supposed to and the second after I killed Raphael in the house of hope. A ! came up and she talked about the graffiti. I was confused at first because I thought ahead been there and tagged somewhere so I was looking for it.

My girl really is the most overworked one out of the rest)) Thanks for the detailed explanation! It's funny how in my first playthrough I didn't get enough Nighsong points but enough Parent Points, so when my Tav said, "You know the right thing to do," she saved her parents. Truly, it's bizarre to know how all worked out within the code, so I had little to no bags at all in regard to Shadowheart's quest. I can't say which ending for her is the best (from the lore perspective, it's open to interpretation to say the least, especially considering the epilogue party and how Shar, it seems, harm less her wound). Both have their ups and downs, but I think I prefer saving parents. In the end, my Tav would support Shadowheart's choice, no matter what she chose.

Thanks. Definitely don’t want to mess this up. The quality of life her parents would have, especially her mother, it honestly feels like mercy to let them go. Especially since they plead with her to do so

I interested in Gale God points. There has to a mechanism as to why Gale is so ready to reject Mystra in some runs, while he will willingly sacrifice himself at the end in others, to the point that dissuading him needs a skillcheck

That scroll alowing you to make the connection without a check is so cool. Probably no-one notices it but they still coded it because it makes sense. Amazing how detailed the game is!

Bro this route is such a hussle and with the Bugs i dont even want to do them

7:16 Even if you don't have that spell, you can stack some crates/boxes and then climb on top of them to make the jump. I always wished you could loot that crystal in there too. In the beta, it actually had a GP value of like 5,000 or something, but I guess they got rid of that because it implied you could get it somehow.

OR it's supposed to be a second chance kind of thing. If you didn't get enough Nightsong points in the first 2 acts, it gives you another way to convince her.

My Shart killed her parents, and I agree. They are now watching their daughter constantly locking lips with my Tav.

The mystery is solved! Much appreciated, thank you!

So I have to choose between Persuading her to not kill the Nightsong, or Persuading her to not kill her parents. This is why I chose Lore Bard for my HM attempts; I'd be screwed without Persuasion Expertise. Also it's nice to finally have an answer as to why that "City Smells" conversation seems like such a crapshoot; so many people, myself included, just figured it was bugged.

When I saw the title of this video I got really angry because I was like "they are just ripping off the work that one guy did in his secret Shadowheart mechanics breakdown" then I realized that you are actually the same person and I feel better now. lol

interesting! i'm curious, is there anything like this that influences wyll's actions regarding his soul vs. his father in act 3?

It's curious, the "No Wonder you're so dedicated To Shar.." option isn't there at all after the dream in my current run. I can point out the Moonstone and then Thank her but can't continue the other conversation.

Very interesting, shes so complicated gd

Here's my take on the Nightsong points check. More Nightsong points means that Shadowheart is more mistrustful of Shar. Thus, it also means that she's more likely to want to be completely free of Shar, and kill her parents. I think the best ending for her is to reject Shar, but also not give in to her hate of Shar, freeing her parents without losing her ties to Shar

I used to play with Shadowheart in my party at all times, so when i went for "female Tav male harem party" and I took Shadowheart only for Shadowfell adventure I was shocked that, left to her own choice she killed Nightsong... this vid really made my eyes open... so many little choices making so big impact in the end!

I must say, that the question if the parents should be killed or not is still a mystery to me. For one, the parents clearly state that they want their lifes ended and also the dialog seems to imply that as long as the parents live, SH is still under the influence of Shar, even when she serves Selune. Also what happens to the (dead) parents seem to indicate that this might be the correct fate for them. Maybe that is the reason, the NS points block those parent points. It is still somewhat unclear, what a better ending is -- dead parents or living parents -- for SH herself. At least one thing is absolute clear for me: The ending with SH becoming a Dark Justiciar is a BAD one for her. That is imperative from the dialogs you get with her when you have romanced her -- and just also look what the Nightsong says aboujt the Shar service, which is absolutely true from I have seen of all of it. Shar throws away even her most devoted servants -- just for kicks.

I wonder if its possible theres a bug to make her dark justiciar save parents happen?

Awesome!! I had subscriber notifications on for this lol, thanks for the great breakdown! You finally solved the great mystery of that bugged conversation not happening.

T get the silver sword of the astral plane guaranteed, get a level 5 ranger and level 5 divination wizard. Summon the bear, cast invisibility on it, make sure the wizard has a portent die high enough to guarantee a hit, use honeyed paws on Voss, and run like hell to get out of the fight. They will only be temporarily hostile and will let you progress laezel like normal

Talks about a rare dialogue but doesn't let us watch it :(

i guess i wont ever have shadowheart save her parents willingly as i always seem to surpass with nightsong points, i hope they fix it bc I've been trying to see her talking about the city smells lmfao

LMAO I didn't know about the "just drop the spear" thing. That's gold, I'm kinda surprised they didn't somehow prevent that or at least add specific dialogue for it or something

Huh, this is super interesting. As much as I was surprised that she chose to kill her parents in my game, I'm kind of inclined to think that this was intentional. Saving them would result in Shar permanently having a degree of control and influence on her, and her parents were telling her that they were at peace and were ready for her to let them go.